Why people hate on the MCU
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[00:00:00] Welcome to the multi-verse podcast on today's episode. Why do people like to hate on the Marvel cinematic Universe. or the MCU? We're going to drop straight into a conversation where Steven's disagreeing with me. Of course.
I was gonna disagree with Jason because I don't, I don't think it's, it, it has anything to do with the characters. Um, I think that, you know, you we talk about Chris Evans as Captain America, like this. Perfect. Yeah. It was perfect casting. It absolutely was just like Tatiana Masani as, uh, Shehu. 'cause perfect casting, just like, you know, Haley, uh, Steinfeld as, uh, as Kate Bishop.
It's perfect casting. It's not a casting thing. Uh, nobody, nobody really knew who the hell Chris Evans was when he became Council America. So it's, and again, this is that Quentin Tarantino thing. This isn't about star power either. That's one thing Marvel movies have been doing. I've yet to see casting where I thought, oh, that one is really [00:01:00] miscast.
It, it really, it hasn't happened for me. It really hasn't. Um. Now there was familiarity with Captain America. People knew who that was. People knew who Thor was. People had an idea of who Ironman was, depending on your age group, but none of these characters were setting the world on fire before the Marvel universe began.
I think part of the problem is that people want more of that. Yes. And Marvel isn't built on that. They're not built on. Well, we'll just keep giving you like James Bond. We'll give you a new Captain American movie. Everyone wants, uh, 20 more years of Sean Connery Bond. So that's why he went off and did.
Diamonds are Forever. That's right. So they've got a choice. They can either recast or. I try and give you something new. And from a creative perspective, I think, no, please keep giving me something new because I don't want, 'cause you know what happens when you get a new Captain America movie, every two to three years, they're gonna start turning into shit.
You know why? Because James Bond movies for turning into [00:02:00] shit and had been for a very long time. I mean, I love Roger Moore, but. He's got like one good movie and that's it. And that's why is that Moonraker? Octopussy, I like that one. And I only like that because it was less, they had a, they had no budget on that one, so it was more of a character piece.
But even then, Roger Moore is like, you know, he's kind of going through the whole movie with his tongue stuck in his cheek and, and there you go. Um. So it it, it has to be about something fresh. It has to be about something new. And when you take that stance, of course you're gonna piss people off. Look, look what happened to a True Detective, the first series.
Everybody loved True Detective. Perfect. That's perfect. Season two comes along well, you mean we're not getting Woody Harrelson and, uh, McConaughey. Oh, fuck that. And that's before the first episode even aired. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so it's, it falls, the new one looks really good. Yes, it does. It falls into that zone of fan [00:03:00] service.
Who are you making the art for? Are you making the art for yourself as the creator, or are you making the art for people that you think are gonna buy this? And I to, man, I, I had a absolutely outrageous argument with Harvey in here years ago about Harry Potter, because Harvey's contention was. JK Rowling fucked up my Harry Potter.
She, she fucked it up when she made, you know, I was gonna say, Gandalf dumbed it when she made him gay. When, when she did this, when she, I'm like, hold on a second. What do you mean your Harry Potter? It's not your Harry Potter, it's JK Rowling's, Harry Potter, or you get to decide is whether you like it or not.
You have no say. I think I remember the tail end of this. Yes. This is actually what started the podcast. Yes. The whole podcast was this conversation. Hmm. Because at the end of it, once we'd calmed down and I decided that strangling Harvey was not how I wanted to spend the afternoon, we decided that actually, no, we should have recorded that.
'cause that would've been an [00:04:00] amazing podcast and, and yes, it would have. Um, it, it's, it's not for us to say what somebody else does with their creations. You just say whether you like it or not. But what I think is very dangerous and what is ultimately stifling for create, for any creativity is to say, I'm not gonna watch their new shit, because they won't give me the old shit that I liked.
So fuck you. Seriously. You know? But see, I think what they've gotta do though. So there's a way, there's a way that they've been successful in a way that, well, for me personally, there's a way they've lost my interest and a way they've gained my interest. So when, uh, with the Avengers, if you have your sort of classic Avengers in Mm-Hmm.
I'm in, I'm interested. Right, right. The one that captured my attention was when you start adding on in other pretty interesting characters like New Avengers with. Tossing in Wolverine and [00:05:00] Spidey and those guys. You talking about comics or the movies? Comics. You're talking about The comics. Okay. Comics, yeah, in the movies.
I missed the movie when movie was that event. Yeah. No, well, I'm saying that they're, they're screwing it up the way they're doing it right now. So in the movies, what they're doing, or in the TV show, they're like, we've got all these B-list characters. Right? That we've got the, the second run B-list, you know, not a, not the headliner characters.
We're gonna have them all step up and now be the headliners. They're gonna be your new Avengers. The current Avengers comic is this too. Right? So that's not, I, I don't wanna read that. I, uh, Sam Wilson is always the falcon to me. They, they don't even believe he's Captain America because they give him, they still keep the wings on him when he is Captain America.
So it's one of those things, it just doesn't feel like cap to me. I, yeah. And I, and I absolutely accept that and. But in terms of the, I think that this is, this is, [00:06:00] again, this is where personal expectation starts to butt up against, with, against the, the creative mind behind it. Because the Avengers were pretty much the same for.
A couple of decades. Yeah. So if you missed out on all of that, but you like that team and you want them to be the Avengers. Now see they tried that. They tried that when they let, um, Bendis write, what was it? Um, Avengers Assemble. It was right around that. Hickman was doing the two Avens. Yeah. I see. But they brought in, the movie came out, everyone looked Bagley was the artist.
Yeah. And they brought out this series like, oh, we're gonna put Venus on it. Bagley, it's gonna write it. It's gonna be the original core lineup. This is what people want. Nobody read it. Yeah. Because that's been done in the comical world. That's been done. Mm-Hmm. Ben is bringing in all these blisters and so on and so forth.
Here's the thing. I remember when that book came out and I remember [00:07:00] the detractors were already saying, no one's gonna want Spiderwoman in the Avenger. Luke Cage in the Avengers. This is terrible. But strength of young, young BMBs writing made falls of us all to the point where now we sort of look back like, damn, that was like, you know, the last Great Avengers run.
Although I did love Hickman's go at it. Um, and, and possibly one of all time again, it's, Marvel has this, um, large roster of characters and so we are gonna try different things and some of them are gonna stick and some of them not. I like the Eternals, I like the movie. Yeah, okay. I gotcha. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but as I was watching it, I was like, this was very, very brave for them to do this movie because.
People are not gonna like this. They're not gonna do a second one. I just, I cannot see them doing a second one. But here's the interesting thing. [00:08:00] Um, and that was the way when the comic came out. Oh, yeah. No one liked, one liked, I mean, everyone made fun of Kirby. Yeah. Because Kirby's running around wanting to do his new gods.
Right. D you know, he didn't wanna give it to Stan the first time. Went to DC and hopped over here and, but yeah. That, that's, and, and you go back and reread 'em now. His stuff, man, Jack, I love you, but it's pretty trippy stuff. It, it wasn't until Gainan showed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Pulled, pulled it.
Marvel Knight and kind of Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. But, but what I thought was kind of funny is that, you know, again, going back to She Hulk, um, Tatiana has. Been quite vocal recently about, well, I don't know what Disney are doing. Yeah. Because we blew our budget. Right. There's not gonna be another blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And Disney keeps coming back going, no, no. We're working on that. And that's the thing. No, no, no, we're not done yet. We're not, we're not done yet. And, and that's what I find [00:09:00] fascinating because they did a great job with that character. I thought the show was fantastic. It was spot on for what it's supposed to be.
The sort of fourth wall. Yeah. Wall breaking, you know. But I also recognize why people didn't like it, because that's not what they want. Yeah. They want this, the recording there, did you start up, okay, cool. Yeah. They still want a captain in America. They still want an Ironman. They still want, well, you, you, you're not gonna get it.
And I get the, the Sam Wilson as Captain America. Um, uh, issue because it, to some people I know, it feels like, well, we didn't have enough of Steve Rogers, captain America. Why are you pulling us away from that? We didn't have, we, you know, I, I understand that and I get that, but this isn't comics. This is movies.
And I, and I do think that like, you know what, we, we got Steve, we did actually get Steve Rogers, captain America for 10 years. That's pretty good. [00:10:00] So they could either recast or, well, I'm gonna go out, let's go in a different direction. Well, I'm gonna go out on the limb and say this because, you know, I, and I agree, I agree with both of y'all on, on both ends, that the creativity has to be there.
It can't be a fan fest, but I, I think be with Chris Evans especially. Hmm. I think he needed a break. He wants to go off and do other things. Sure. To me, this is setting up, oh, we're gonna give Sam, just like in the comic book, we're gonna give Sam one or two outings and then Chris Evans is gonna come because we're ver Well, I mean, we're very forgiving in the comic book world.
You know, it's Ben af. Ben Affleck's gonna come back as Bat Fla at some point in time. Michael Keaton got to do it again. Whether they really penciled it in and said We're gonna give Chris five years off. For him to cut his teeth. But what's gonna happen is you're gonna do some story. Captain America, Steve Rogers is an old man on the moon somewhere, whatever, you [00:11:00] know, he's still running around there.
And, and I've already, you and I both have the story and how he's gonna come back. I got the serum right here. Yeah, there you are. It's all back up. Here we go. Yeah, we've seen this, we've seen this. We, we've seen this. So somewhere Chris is gonna, Chris has got a girlfriend and a wife. Now, I don't know if they're married or not.
Chris gonna have a kid. Chris getting money from and, and it's the world's worst way to, because you're very creative and you know you want good stories. One day Chris gonna need a boat. One day Chris is gonna get divorced. Something's gonna happen to Mr. Evans and you, but you know what's gonna make a shit ton of money for Mr.
Evans coming back. Captain America, you know, you know Robert Downey. He could be a hologram. He's apparently, he's supposed to make an appearance and Ironheart is something. You can, it'll be a hologram over here. You know that. I mean, I, I, I mean Chris, uh, Thor was retiring from acting because he's got Alzheimer's genes in his DNA or something, and [00:12:00] then you hear, oh, there might be a Thor number four over five, whatever, over here, and he's gonna show up for half a sec.
Toby McGuire's not done with Spiderman. Neither Neither's Garfield. Neither. Neither is the other one quite right. No, you're you. You are absolutely correct. But see, I agree with Jason on the casting, but I agree with Steven that we gotta have good fricking stories. But there's an X factor to all of, to to, we're not talking about Hugh Jackman.
No, no, no, no, no, no. We are not talking about Hugh Jackman. We are talking No, we are talking about Allison Kraus. Le please allow me to explain. Okay. Is the War Queen? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Alison Keyer, she's a singer. The singer. Folk singer, yeah. Oh, wow. So this is what, ha, I don't know that about no music.
Just sit back and all will be revealed. Which is a very clever way of introing how I'm gonna explain this. Cool. Okay. Because about 10 years ago, no, I think it. Might've [00:13:00] been a bit 12. I don't know. Um, what's it, what was his name? Uh, GaN uh, was it Ahmed GaN the, the, the famous, um, uh, music producer had died and Led Zeppelin reformed for one night to do a concert celebration day concert at the oh two.
And they got, um. Jason Bonham, John Bonham's son on drums. I remember you talking about this off, off air one time. And boy, that was a crazy ass day because the tickets. They, they had a website. We had a register on the website, and I believe all the tickets sold out like within seconds. I mean, I, I, I was there at work hitting refresh.
I got about half a dozen people that, that I work with. They're all supposed to be working. We are not. We're sitting in front of a computer hitting refresh, trying to get tickets. For Steven to go to the O2 didn't happen. Led Zeppelin came [00:14:00] back. And did this amazing show, absolutely amazing. You can rent it, you can stream it.
It's fan. They did a fantastic job and Jimmy Page and Jump Hall Jones were like, Hey, that audience loved us. People maybe did, do people still love us? We could go and we could tour. And Rolling Stone Magazine did a big piece on this and it was like, oh, but this will be the tour to end all tours. They are going to make gazillions.
Unfortunately, Robert Plant had just done an album with Alison Krauss and he said, I don't know that I necessarily want to do that. I kind of like to do my foxy thing that I've just done with Alison Krauss, maybe in a few years. Probably not. It's just not in my wheelhouse right now. And a billion Zeppelin fans all around the world.
When you bastard, you could have given us this. Those of us who were not old enough to go and see you live back in the day, but have loved your [00:15:00] music, you could have given this, this frick. The stones are still doing this and we don't want them to do this anymore. We would love that. Absolutely not. That's the X factor here, because Chris Evans, yeah, he might need a boat.
He might need all of that. Or he might turn around and say, actually, I'm doing this dinner theater gig up in the Catskills. I'm doing Shakespeare. It's my life's dream. No, I don't wanna do it. And you never know. You don't, you don't know. You don't know. You don't know. I, I. And I have no evidence either way.
No. Um, RDJ is the Hot Ticket to Win Supporting Actor for Oppenheimer. Uh, he absolutely can go into character acting. Iron Man could be behind him as well. He could be. And the other, but the, the other factor, the other way is the, the actor who swore to God he would never step foot in the Millennium Falcon again.
Absolutely. Unless he, and hey. But that's it. And I like, I like both sides of that. Hmm. [00:16:00] I really wish she hadn't though. That's there. Yeah. That's a whole nother, that's a whole other show. It's, but that has more to do three episodes where we kill off one of the favorites in each one. Yeah, I know, right? And, and once kids love it.
And once again, I created that in really lame ways. Escalating lee stupid ways to kill all the things on. I know. And, and, and I give that more credit, not to the actor, but to the bad writing of, but we, you know. Sure. But that's, that's my hope for the Marvel Universe. Chances are. Realistically and kids, y'all are gonna hit.
The Marvel Universe is gonna flame out with a bad decision. Once Kevin Feige decides he wants to go do something else, maybe because what's gonna happen is they're gonna hire somebody that's gonna want to go, you know that Suicide Squad movie? Why can't we have more movie like that? Well, you know, let's do that.
That's the best one. Because the DC group went that Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh shit. We need, we mean we need to make Suicide Squad funny. That's right. And that's, that's, that's [00:17:00] what's gonna end. Absolutely. The more of a universe is not gonna lie. I, I'm in the minority. I, I kind of liked that Suicide Squad.
I, I liked that Suicide Squad movie for what it was, because the suicide squad, comic book in the eighties was a. Bunch of Fuckups trying to get to the end, but to know what you could have had and to know that the horrible what's, we've done a pie podcast about how Warner Brothers doesn't understand any of their properties.
Mm-hmm. Right? That the suicide squad was a direct casualty of them going, oh my God, we gotta make Marvel movies. What's that Josh Wheaton guy doing? Get him on there over there. Adjusted that. That's where. You know what, what I've learned is that, that, well, that's not how he got on the Justice League though.
N no, but it's that same kind of decision making. When Jo, when Snyder had that family disaster, daughter kills himself. Do we pause the movie or do we fix it? I gotta, let's fix it. Hey, is that J? Because I would go, you know, if I started a rival comic book company and [00:18:00] you two were suddenly unemployed. I would come grab both of y'all.
Yeah, because y'all had success over here. Not knowing that one of you might have some horribly sexist, uh, tendencies and your last job they wouldn't let you around. An actress 'cause she was 15 on the TV show. Um, and be surprised when something turns into a cluster. Fuck yeah. My chance. Profanity. My cha.
Uh, we'll fix it. We'll fix it. We'll fix it in post fix post. Yeah. You know, because once again you, you, you think that success is gonna be duplicated? Sure. Uh. But once again, hero season one. Yeah. Hero season four. I just want good content. I just want it to be good. And if then I, if I can only have it once because that's kind of, that was their shot, then that's fine.
And, and the nice thing about today's age is that I can restream that if I like season one. Yeah. It, it's nothing for me to just keep [00:19:00] watching season one and ignore. No, absolutely. And, and the other thing I think that people are trying to figure out is I don't think. I think the theater audience has changed so much.
Yes. It really has. Yeah. And I don't know, I don't know if the movie companies have quite clocked what will draw a person to a theater versus what won't, you know, who hasn't figured it out this time around? Martin Soca? Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I mean, and I finally watched that movie. Oh yeah. I, I refuse. Um, I'm out.
Well, I mean, I could watch it at home. I. I mean, I pause it, get up, stretch, and you know, I we're talking about the flower moon, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, for people who don't enjoy history or being told right, being told that people are, um, rotten bastards, I can understand there was a historical context that I went, oh my God.
Hmm. Whew. [00:20:00] No wonder they're mad at us. No. No matter, you know, no, no matter what. But there's also a point in time when about, I don't know, hour nine of it that I was like, Martin, I think you've, you made, you got your point across. And there's even a point in time when Leo, I don't know if they did edit it out.
He's kinda like, it's kinda, he's acting, but he's kinda like, duke, can I go home now? It's, it's, you know, it's, I've been on camera. I can't wait to see that in the blue. Yeah, I've been on camera now 72 hours in a 24 hour day. I don't understand. It's. It was him really trying to make something very artistic and try to drive home the idea that we abused American, you know, indi indigenous people and did all, you know, we stole oil from all that We did.
We did. Yes, of course we did. We, we, we did that. That's, but it, it, it, there's a, uh, I could, you know, it's turned me off on this movie every time I turn on freaking Apple tv. It, it plays like a little trailer there and every time he goes, I [00:21:00] like the color of your skin. What would you call that color? My color.
Every single time I turn on the tv, that's all I hear. So you're being targeted. Yeah. But, but Mar Marty is having a problem figuring out, and that's why he is lashing out. He's having a problem. But if I'm Marty, I don't have to make movies anymore. No, I mean, I, I, I like hanging out with my buddies, you know, I'm surpri I get Robert, you know, and all I, Bobby d yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm having a good time hanging out with my buddies, but you're right, the, the, what draws an audience in now is different.
Very different. Like you had, um, Maverick slate it, uh, mission Impossible. No. Didn't do well. And like, it's just one of those things. And by the way, not a bad movie. No. Um, the freaking Spider Verse movie. That was super annoying and frustrating because they made a cartoon and they [00:22:00] had to make it two parts.
Come on. But, and they didn't, they didn't necessarily like say part one in it. They just said, this is gonna be the thing. And that's if I want to ask. 'cause, 'cause you, I didn't know. Well, well, it's like who the what? The, I didn't know who the, it's terrible. You're not the first person that said, I didn't know it was gonna be two parts.
I knew it was gonna be two parts. Did you? Yeah, I'd see, yeah, I did. I didn't know it. It was all over. I was so assumed. I'm like, I've been here watching a cartoon for two hours. I, and there's no end. I knew God's sake. I knew last year it was two parts. So there's been, yeah. Well, this, to me, the way I even remember reading Entertainment Weekly, going, this is kind of the Empire Strikes Back Yeah.
Of this trilogy. Yeah. Because we got into the story, so they decided we have to, we have to do two of them. But there's been a lot of people like Jason, it was like, I didn't know it was gonna be two parts. I didn't figure it out until like 10 minutes, you know, the last 10 minutes of the movie, they couldn't say part one.
And, and, and I, I, I was [00:23:00] startled by that. I mean, you could put part one up there. I mean, would that have changed whether you were gonna go see it or not? A hundred percent. I wouldn't. Hang on, I, I, I need to drill down. Jason. Go back a little bit here. Yeah. You didn't like the movie. I was super annoyed at the ending.
I liked the movie, but I was super annoyed at the ending. What was it about the ending Did annoy you? There was that there was no resolution. It didn't end. That's interesting to me. Yeah. And I'll tell you what, I love the movie. I, I was just, it was fine. Abs. No, I, I loved it. Yeah. So you get to the ending.
For me it was, I'm gonna get more. Not, I think if, if the movie had disappointed me, it would be like, oh, I can, you know, kiss that off. But I'm a, so. We talked about the fact that Americans need resolution. I'm very American. In fact, I watched some, I watched like it was some like, I think it was Turkish. I don't even know what show.
You know how the, on [00:24:00] Netflix, you'll end up watching some show. It's got that that is dubbed and you're like, and it's kind of interesting, so you kind of watch it. You took a gamble. No, I don't do that. I took a gamble on one. Uh, I've heard of people who do such things. It was, no, it was Hungarian. Yeah, it was, anyway, whatever it was, these people on a submarine, the way this thing ended was just the most frustrating ending I've ever seen.
And I was so into this show. Uh, the sun is, uh, the sun had some, uh, like, uh. Eruption. Right. And it was now solar flares. Yeah. It's like, as we scientists call that. So there were like, uh, there were, but now like it's, it like kind of screwed up Electromagnetic planet. No, it was from blue open or whatever.
Well now it's like basically irradiating the earth anytime that it's sun up. Well, these people that are on a submarine, um. They [00:25:00] didn't get caught at first in this thing. Right. And they surfaced. They're like, where is everybody? And they, they figure out what's going on, but they can only be on the surface at nighttime.
Right. Then they have to go back. It's kind of a cool premise, right? It's super interesting. So I watched this whole thing, the very end, this character. You're like watching the whole time and you're like, okay, what's gonna happen? There's a whole conspiracy. They just shoot him. That's the end. No resolution.
You don't know what happens to any of the people, any of the things they, you don't know how, how are they going to save themselves? Apparently there's these all, all these rich people who have set up the thing. Nope. They just shoot the dude and that's the end. Drives me nuts. I hate it. Don't wanna do it.
Spider verse, same thing. Let me ask you this. Mm-Hmm. Did you see the movie The Departed? Scorsese's movie with DiCaprio and Matt? Yes, A long time ago. Ah, okay. I'm not familiar with it. Sorry. It was a good movie. Did you like the ending? I don't remember it. Okay. [00:26:00] So this is the thing that's happening to me lately.
It's been a long time since I've seen movies in some, like some movies, like I saw 'em originally, right. It's been a long time since then. I'll go back and watch. I'm like. This is a great movie. I don't remember anything. Like I'm, I'll remember like a major beat or two. Sure. I might remember the ending, but I'll remember some big thing, but then I'm just like this, it's like the first time I've ever seen it, which is a good, that's a good thing to do.
Yeah. I think I have Alzheimer's. No, no, no. Okay. It's, it's, it has to do with, it can be many things. I don't think it's all done. I, I'd, and I know I've said this, I think in a previous podcast, the first time I watched The Dark Knight, Batman, you know, ledger, dark Knight, absolutely hated it. Just, this is Ter, oh this is a terrible movie.
And then for some re something possessed me to give it another ghost several months later. And uh, and I was like, this is amazing. This is an absolutely amazing film. Crazy thing is my wife watched it with the. The first time and she was like, this [00:27:00] movie's terrible. I'm like, yeah, that's terrible. I kind of wonder, did somebody slip me like some, you know, bootleg homemade version of the dark?
So I saw, no, this has happened to me before. It's, it's the reason I don't do, uh, late night premieres anymore because I'm, I'm not very good at staying up late. I, I fall asleep like 10 o'clock happens. No matter where I am, I'm out. Right. Right. So when I saw what's now my favorite Lord of the Rings movie, which is two towers, okay.
The first time I saw it, I, I was in California at like a 10 30 showing, so I'm jet lagged. For me, it's 1230. Right. And I don't make it through and I'm, I'm nodding off and I don't catch everything. Yeah. I was like, that thing sucked. I didn't like that at all. And then I watched it later and I was like, that's the greatest movie of the bunch.
I like it better than Return of the King. So it would be interesting if you were able to go back in time and figure out what your day had. Ben? Yeah. Oh yeah, because [00:28:00] 'cause listen to both of y'all. I appreciate how lowbrow I am, man. Y'all got some high level taste and all these things influenced you and all that.
I'm, man, if I got popcorn with that butter and that salt, that fucked up blood pressure forever in a day, have to ask. Special for the little contain, I'm a happy ca. I mean, I will identify stuff that's crap. Like I said, I, but there's, most of this stuff doesn't bother me as much. It's doesn't me, I'm like, I don't know if I'm dumber than y'all.
Like I appreciate Steven's once again, depth of knowledge of who the gapper guy was on this movie and watching, know Uncle Billy's driving around, Tom Hanks and all that. And the yes, the cinematic view lies. I, I, I may be like just the, the target demographic, dumb American. Audience just walk ins like explosions.
Yeah. Uh, lasers attractive people. And I don't even care if it ends or not. If I can see it seven more times, uh, you know, it, it, it, it, it, it's, I learn a lot when I, I listen to both of y'all because [00:29:00] it's, you are in so much trouble. Oh my gosh. That's, I'm the last person that's that. Anyone should, but I can watch the Maltese Falcon with you and appreciate it the same way, you know, you and I both.
Chatted about that from time to time too. So who You watched that like just a couple of weeks ago? Yeah. And, and, but there is just so fantastic most of the time. You know, I mean, I, I admit that Ang Lee's, uh, incredible Hulk was insane. But yeah, it's, lemme tell you the story about my, my experience of seeing that in the movie theater.
Oh God. I don't know. Oh, okay. So this is fun. My wife listens to the podcast, so she will enjoy hearing this Beth. So. Um, the Mrs. Myself and our friend George, we went to see the incredible Hulk angling, and we sit there, we watch the movie, da da. I'm pretty, I'm pretty. Sucked in. I'm actually, you know what?
I'm kind of, I'm kind of digging this. I like these, uh, comic book, comic panel cutaways. Mm-Hmm. And the slides you've got, she's got Nick Nolte in there basically playing [00:30:00] Nick Crazy drunk Nick Novelty. That's always worth, he doesn't know if he was in the movie or I, he just showed up in a flowered shirt and, and, and it was good.
And I, I, I actually, I did enjoy it. I did. And we, uh, I was fairly oblivious to my wife and my friend George. 'cause I'm, I'm in, I'm in the zone. I'm watching the movie, movie ends. We are leaving the theater. And I think it was Stacey, I think it was my wife who was like, you know, so what did you think of that?
And I was like, I thought that was great. I mean, the, the this and the that and the use of the thing and the this and the other, and, oh man, I just, and I'm just talking to myself. What I don't know is that behind me are my wife and George looking at each other, having a silent, telepathic conversation. And that telepathic conversation goes as follows.
You hated that movie too, right? Yeah, I did. I thought [00:31:00] that was a god awful waste of time and money. Yeah. I don't think we should say anything because clearly Steven is riding the high of watching a movie that he enjoyed. Oh, I quite agree. Stacy, we will just keep this quiet between the two of us and we will never speak of this again.
So how many years before they let you go? It was sometime later that it was like, well, they didn't buy you the DVD version of it when it came out. They, we don't wanna do. It was, it was later then it was like. You didn't like that movie in two? No, I hated that movie and George hated it even more. He did well, I liked it.
Well, there we are kids. That's it. We, we've, we have, uh, circled the full multiverse. We certainly have. Yeah. And I will, speaking of all the Secret Wars and bringing back, if you can bring back Jennifer Garner, you can bloody well bring back Eric Barna that well wait, Jennifer Garner's back. Well, she's, she's showing up dead apparently.
She's in Deadpool three, dead electro. There's a, there's a [00:32:00] picture that Entertainment Weekly, let out Michael Chila on the set of Oh, oh yes. Dead pool with dots on. And, um, I, okay. Those were not good movies, but I liked them. I enjoyed them with the i, the voice for the thing. Yeah. Oh man, there's, there's there.
Once again, I enjoyed. The first one until they turned Dr. Doin into Magneto. Yep. Right. And I enjoyed the second one until gala. They decided, until they decided they, they were going to try to make, um, gala Alexis is a cloud. Yeah. Galax Cloud and Sue Storm, just to be the hot girl standing there in leather and not contr.
There was a lot of other things where you're like, eh, it's just Alba. But on the, to me, the casting across the board worked was fine. For who we had. Isn't it John by who made the comment about how. [00:33:00] Um, Latin women should not go blonde. That got him into a whole bunch of hot water, possibly so, but, but burn, you know?
But I, John Burn Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, that guy. I think it was John Burn, but, uh, if it wasn't, forgive me, Mr. Burn. And I don't like his Superman either. Oh, we're gonna start that again. So here we go. Here we go. I can't wait to, can't wait to get our special guest in who's just as big, big a fan of Superman as Jason is, and you and I, you, I are just gonna sit back and watch these.
Because, uh, you know, we're gonna have very different generational perspectives. Can we have more of Naked Shee Hawk doing the skipping road, please? Or, or jumping up and down on the track? I'm really Ed, whatever it was, I'm, I'm really aggravated. I can't get that cover for under 50 bucks, but that's, you know, whatever.
I'll just wait for the trade, I guess. Guess we'll wrap this one up and then, uh, I don't even know what you're talking about. Oh, oh, oh my. That'll be another show. Yeah, that'll be, uh, who can I, everybody, good night.
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