Movie Talk - Marvels
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[00:00:00] Welcome to the multi-verse podcast today. Movie talk. We started diving into some nostalgic movies, some stuff we're going to look at for Christmas. And then we spent quite a bit of time talking about the marvels and everything that's yet to come in the movie world. Stay tuned./
In the, you know, retro madness movie thing, doing Scarface. That's a perfect Christmas movie. It is. I mean, if, if I, since I consider Die Hard, Die Hard is a Christmas movie. It's the, it's the perfect Christmas story. The guy has to defeat bad guys to get home to his family for Christmas. It's a Christmas miracle.
Santa Claus made an appearance. Yeah. You can't tell me that John McClane's ability to pull that all up was not a Christmas movie. And Best Christmas TV show, I think is the, the new Oh, what's her name? Oh, Hawkeye. Hawkeye, the new Hawkeye. That was a lot of fun.
By the way, 1941 is a [00:01:00] Christmas movie. We should totally get together and watch that. Yeah. I really think, you know, it's like Allie and I watched it this past Christmas. Cause I watched it and she was like, this comes across rapey. 1941 1941 John Belushi Steven Spielberg. It's his only bomb. The reason why she doesn't come across rapey is the the Treat Williams's character who keeps chasing the girl won't take no as an answer.
Yeah for her generation That is very she's told him no like ten times What's the and and so as I'm sitting there watching, you know, you know, I got her I'm like this Oh, oh, yeah. Have you tried Revenge of the Nerds? Have you tried to watch that? That's not okay. No, it really isn't. That was not okay. It's supposed to be like, oh, this is the greatest thing.
He ended up with the girl. While he's in disguise, acting like he's somebody else. So, what was her take when Wendy Joe ger [00:02:00] is chasing treat at the end of the movie. Was that alright? She didn't have anything to say. We didn't get into that because she was so still focused on that. And what I was trying to do was introduce her to John Belushi you.
No, I wanted, I wanted her to you. You know, I enjoyed John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd in that. Because while my plan was to segue into Blues Brothers, right, of course.
I don't care. /1941 is. I think it is one of the greatest films, certainly made in the 70s. I've never seen it. Oh, we, we, well... Well, then we need to go to that movie theater room at TCU and take... I'm gonna buy the 4K... I've got it. Oh, marvelous. I've got the blu ray, super, I mean...
Alright, I'm in. You're in. We'll go, we'll go. But, now, do you have the, the, the extended bit? Yes. Yes, we've got the option of the extended bit. You've got to have Ned Beattie's... Pre dance speech to his daughter, which, which also was like, Oh my God, [00:03:00] it's so wrong, but it's so good. And it's you know, it's even said that special features and you listen to Steven Spielberg.
Oh, you know, I didn't think it was that bad. I like what the John Wayne turned down. Oh, yeah, because he knew the general right, but I'm so glad that that happened because Robert Stack is that is the craziest son of a bitch I ever saw. And he turns, he goes, how many more like him do you think are up there?
And every I've seen that movie hundreds of times, and I still crack up every single time that The year my dad started taking me to movies. There were three movies he took me to and this, my dad's Here we go. Mountain Men. Right. Moon Rancor. Okay, yeah, sure. Escape from Alcatraz. Oh. And then 1941. Awesome.
Awesome. Neither one of us knew about the Chopping the Fingers Off. Oh, that, [00:04:00] see, so, my Are we recording? Yeah. Outstanding. This is movie talk. This is so good. So my dad my, my dad had a very sort of relaxed view when it came to movies. So he pretty much let me watch anything as long as he could either watch it with me, you know, and kind of explain this is how I got to see, you know, the omen when I was little and, and escape from New York and stuff like that.
But he the two memories that I have, which is just, just brilliant. And I think I've said, I may have said this on podcast before. Three years old seeing Jaws. It was a fantastic experience because we saw it at the Thunderbird drive in in on sunrise in South Florida. And my, my memory, which is so it is locked in there is when the kitten boy.
gets eaten by the shark. I couldn't take it anymore. So I screamed, ran to the back of their van, threw a blanket over my head and then got to listen [00:05:00] to my parents argue for the rest of the movie because my mom was taking my dad to tell that. I told you, I told you this was not a good film. Oh God, that's a shark.
That's just a movie. Now he's scared. You scared the boy. So are you going to watch Jaws this weekend? Absolutely. No, I do actually though, because that is We have three Thanksgiving movies in my house and watch them every year. Plane, trains, and automobiles jaws and LA confidential. And it just, it will jaws comes up because when my wife and I were dating, there was one Thanksgiving.
We were actually at my dad and jaws happened to be on TV and we watched it. And we grilled a big salmon because it was a last minute thanksgiving dinner kind of put together And you couldn't find anything but we found this big salmon going cheap and was like, okay, we'll throw out the grill It's fantastic.
So what shows but the other movie is my dad really wanted to see this movie called brew baker That's the other one. My dad was robert [00:06:00] red. Oh, yeah No, no, no, it's a true story too. It it it is. It's a it's a very it's one of those late 70s hard prison movies. Oh wow. And we're the warden who the guy that's going to be the warden spends time in the prison as one of the inmates for a bit for a bit to kind of see what it's like.
Yeah. And it's, it's just brutal and all this kind of stuff. And I, something happens. I think it's when the, I think it's, it might even be Morgan Freeman cause I know he's, I think he's in that movie. He's in all the prison movies. Of course he is. He's like being whipped or something. My mom's like, I've had enough of this and she grabs me and we get up out of our seats and you know, we're leaving and my dad's, you know, ah, And we walk out into the lobby of the movie theater.
And my mom's looking around and she's like, Herbie goes bananas. That's what we're going to go and see. So we walked in halfway through the movie told me this. Yeah. And so I watched the last [00:07:00] half of Herbie goes bananas and the movie's ending and I'm getting up and my mom's like, where are you going? I'm like, well, dad.
And then I said, I told you we were going to watch a movie. You stay right where you are. We're going to wait. We'll watch it again. And we did. And so I got to see one and a half. Of Herbie Goes Bananas and then by the time we left, my dad is freaking out in the parking lot and more comedy ensued with them, but yeah, inappropriate movies for kids, 70s, you can't.
You just can't. I went back and I pulled up I pulled up some of my favorites with my kids. I pulled up E. T. Right. E. T. is not okay. Like, that, that, I think that might be where the word douchebag was invented. The, one of the various, first thing, Elliot, you douchebag. And I'm sitting there with my kids, they're, they're little.
Right. Not thinking E. T. 's this great movie. Yeah. No, so my, my really little one, she's like, what, what do you, what is, what is douchebag? I said, I said, no, he said juice bag, [00:08:00] like a Capri Sun. Good save. Yeah, very good save. From that point on though, she called Capri Suns juice bags. Nice. So anytime she asked for it, it sounded like juice bag.
My, my middle girl, she was, I think, eight, seven or eight when we saw E. T. And, and I want her and my littlest one. And I warned him. I said, it's going to make you cry. It's going to make you cry. It does. You've got to be made this and field of dreams. You've got to be made of stone not to cry at the end of these movies.
And, and, and she was like, I'm not going to cry. And I'm like, I'll bet you five bucks. Yeah, she lost. She lost so big. It was great. Excellent. That's the way it should be. Yeah, absolutely. That's it. But it is funny when you show kids movies like Speaking of, of, of Diagonal, Middle Girl. I still get grief.
And it's been like 10 years. Over 10 years. Well over 10 years. [00:09:00] I still get grief. for showing her the black hole. I, she got so, when they go through and they're seeing the, the hallucinations of, you know, Maximilian and the, the mad professor of bonded into one in hell and the angels and the stained glass and all this stuff.
And she's just freaking out. It absolutely disturbed the heck out of her. I still get grief every so often. I'm like, you want to try and get black hole in another guy? Yeah. She just gives me this look at you son of a bit. No, you evil. I'm calling child protective services. This was, yeah, it really, really bothered her.
And I, I know people hate that movie. I loved that movie. I loved it too. I loved it too. I, they had the black hole lunchbox. I, I had a little Vincent. Yeah. Had a figure. And I played with that thing like Diamond. Diamond Directory. Released a Vincent and an old Bob. I know. I saw those the other day and was like, I bought, I bought Vincent.[00:10:00]
You know what's funny? The best, all the stuff that Diamond said was coming out like the that Indiana Jones thing. Mm-Hmm. thought I haven't hit yet. It's all not there. I thought I was supposed to be here in the fall. Those reaction figures are just a delight. You know, they, the. Different property, different licenses that, that they've got.
So, so what have you boys speaking of movies? Have you guys seen any good movies lately? There we go. That was our segue. Isn't that for Jason? Turned it on record. Look at us. Almost like we've done this seven times. 14 minutes. Preamble roll credit. So last night I went and saw more. And so it's been getting a bunch of press like yesterday.
Like the girl that plays Ms. Marvel was like, Hey, I want to, they were asking about the box office. She was like, you know, I think it was a fun movie. I'm happy with what, how it turned out. And that's Bob Iger's problem, not my problem. I do my thing and he does his thing. Great answer. That was [00:11:00] exactly the right answer.
People were giving her so much grief for that, but I think it's the right answer. It's totally the right answer. I saw a movie and I enjoy it. There's been something. About Captain Marvel, Brie Larson, that movie, and anything related to it, that seems to enrage. Yeah, but now, also now, we're at the point now where, because, and I'm gonna expound some societal judgments, so forgive me, it is much easier for us to bag on, and we kind of do it here, I can be a negative person about some of the things that DC's done with films, and, but when I'm saying that, and then you watch the films, most people go, oh, yeah, you're right.
I think it's very popular right now to bag on Marvel films because you're not getting the same feeling and the same stories that you got in Phase One. Yes. And those movies are made for the general public. [00:12:00] Disney and Marvel have gotten themselves into a problem now that some of these movies they're making now are for comic book fans.
I can't tell you. I can't tell you. I mean, I enjoyed Falcon and Winter Soldier, but I can't tell you what chunk of the population is going to be excited about Sam Wilson as Captain America because everyone wants to see Chris Evans, right? If you, it's, it's the Hugh Jackman problem. Yeah, it is. Let's see, I'm there with them and it's not so not, not the bagging on Marvel, but like the specifically Falcon, Winter Soldier, just, I don't like Falcon Wonder Soldier.
I, I, or not Falcon Wonder Soldier. I don't like Falcon as Cap. I just never have. I think it's a bad idea. I didn't like it in the comics. And granted that was Marvel's attempt when they thought they were going to lose the licenses to the Kirby estate. Yeah. That suddenly everyone became somebody else.
But the Marvel movie is just so much fun. Can I nitpick the script apart a little bit? [00:13:00] But... There's some silly stuff. There's some silly stuff in there, but it is... To me, it's what Marvel comics were before they started cranking out the movies. It just kind of is there. It's silly. It doesn't move the overall, I think we all started going to Marvel movies.
It's not silly. Like Thor was silly. No, silly was ob. No, there's Thor was obnoxious there. There's bad, silly, and there's good Silly, like Thor was a way worse movie and it, it didn't get nearly the grief that this thing you talking about love and thunder? Yes, love and thunder. It all goes back to people misquote what Bree Larsson said on a talk show when the first movie came out.
She said, this movie is not made for old, white, rich people. Something like that. And what got. Edited out was this movie is not for white people Okay. That was, that was, so she became a racist or something, which it was not. Did they even, they didn't even show me. See, I don't even know that. [00:14:00] I didn't even know that.
Yeah, that, that was the big problem. And then the next one was all of her castmates hate her in in game, in war. Look how, you know, look how Jerry Rimmer and the guy who played War Machine and Dan, Don Cheadle, they're looking at her during interviews because she's bragging about that she could lift weights and do things like this.
Everything around Captain Marvel, if you look at people, they'll, they, they forgave, you know, the Scott Lang movies and the first one was great, and then Second, third, Bree Larson's in it. They're very critical of it. Yeah. So Marvel's comes out and it is, it is just a, it, it's almost like a nineties superhero.
I'm almost, it's, I almost think I'm watching Mystery Men. Well, isn't that? Well, but no, I, but Steven, without seeing it and without revealing, he, he gets what I, because. There's a tone to it where how silly is it that when I slap you, I'm going to change bodies. Yeah. The power is going to change. Sure. They give a good [00:15:00] explanation for it, but that's 90s mystery.
Okay. That, that, that, and this Marvel movie, because when we were going to him before, we were trying to get to Thanos, trying to forward the story. We don't really know what's coming next. So the, the end credit, which you've seen, I'm not going to ruin. It's definitely not moving you towards. a big bad, but it's fun.
It's for once again, the first, the first, the actual ending, not the end of credit that moves it to that moves it in a really good way. It does a TV show. I think I'm going to do a TV show. I hope that I hope they do. Yeah. But the other thing I will tell you, you know, Marvel content fans, Marvel's erases the need for secret invasion.
Yeah, because you got two different Nick Furies. That's true. And you got two different looks at the Skrulls [00:16:00] Societal problems, okay, you know cuz on secret invasion you've got them on earth But then you you see them on a guy and god bless him a planet that John Byrne created In the fantastic four run where there's some also some refugees and they seem to be in better shape even though Stuff's going wrong Once you see it steven, I really you'll you'll get what i'm saying.
I do want to see it I'm, sorry, he's not making the money go see it. It's a fun It's just, you take it. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. My theory is they should have released it on Thanksgiving. I think it's a Thanksgiving movie. And like, I was waiting to see it with my kids. Right. I wait, so yeah, I didn't see it on opening weekend or the next weekend because I was waiting to see it with the kids when they came, when they were all around.
Right. So, yeah. Well, it might bounce back. I mean, that's the thing. It might, you know. I'll also tell you something that's interesting. Ali and I go and see it at the 10 30 showing. Thursday night. Mm hmm. Okay. That's our routine. [00:17:00] We're sitting there. Theater's about a little under half packed. Most people sitting around us thought they were seeing a Ms.
Marvel sequel. Oh, yeah? Okay. Rather than a Captain Marvel sequel. If I, someone was talking about an Ali Turner, it goes, you know you're seeing a Captain Marvel sequel. It's like, no, we're not. No. And, and I, I, then I go back and Ali goes, look at the marketing. They did because of some of the negative things.
I mean, there's people saying Brie Larson needs to be executed for treason. Treason, that's crazy. So they shifted the, they did shift the tone of some of the trailers where it was a bounce point of three or it was Ms. Marvel heavy. So the general, once again, this movie is made for the general public, but we as comic book fans can kind of pick up on little stories here in the, like I said, the next wave, [00:18:00] the Sam Wilson, Captain America, all that, that's the general, general public isn't going to go for that.
The comic book fans might enjoy that. This one is that example of they don't know what they're seeing. They just showed up. Oh, it's a Ms. Marvel. Yeah, I just finished it on Disney Plus. And granted, you need to use that girl, that little actress, you need to use her as a front woman. You do. She's great. She's great.
And you know, you know, someone that was cosplaying and dressed up as Ms. Marvel for Halloween and grandmother made the costume and she landed the acting gig. She's getting to write the comic out here. And she's, she basically is like, she is her character, right? She's Chris Evans as Captain America. Yeah.
Yeah. You look at Chris Evans. You're like, Oh God. Or, or, and I'm sorry. Sam Jackson is Nick Fury. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, we had a little help with that on Oh, well we did with, but, but which it's so there Robert Downey and Hug Jackman. That, but yes, that little girl. I, I'm sorry, I don't [00:19:00] know her name. I can't pronounce it.
Yeah. See there he goes, get, get the much more sophisticated individual support. Oh, you, so I thought they had pretty equal building actually. I was surprised that it was, there was as much Miss Marvel as there was in there. And I've loved, like, I love the action sequences where they were switching bodies.
That was great. That was fun to watch. And, like, when they had to figure out how to use that in a fight. That was pretty good. Once again, 90s film. The training physical fitness montage. Yep. With the music. Oh, nice. Oh, it was great. Okay. It's great. We're there. Because once again, they're trying to figure out.
Okay, if I hit you, use my powers, we're going to switch spaces. So it is, I mean, I'm almost, I'm almost hearing maniac, maniac. I'm almost hearing that in that whole bit that they went back, they went back to the 90s stuff. Right. It was, it was a good, it was a good movie. It was completely entertaining. It was shorter than most Marvel movies.
And I think that helped it. Yeah, I thought it was great. I [00:20:00] had, you know, I think, I think people are, I, I agree with you. I think people. They're bagging on Marvel movies by default. They wanted all to fail now. They wanted all to fail. But Spaghetti Westerns went through this. The Slasher movies went through this.
But it also doesn't help that Warner Brothers, and I've said it on this podcast, I'll say it again, I'm not trying to judge James Gunn before he gets off, Warner Brothers doesn't understand their properties. I mean, now I'm impressed that our store manager here in the store liked Blue Beetle. We were chatting in the group chat.
When he brought that up, I was like, Oh, he's getting ready to eviscerate it. Cause he just doesn't like anything. And he liked Blue Beetle. Well, that was a good movie too. It was, it was fun. It was, you know, for, especially since I have Hispanic kids, that they were just excited to see their culture represented.
I mean, America Chavez, they were all excited about her for multiple, but you never got to see much about her family or anything. But. But this, you know, the George, the [00:21:00] George Lopez character. I said in a group chat, Sander, that reminded me a couple of Sanders brothers. Yeah. I was like, Oh, we got an uncle up there on a, on the screen.
Look at that. Did he, did he get check? He owes me money, but that was, I digress.
As much as I think it's the entertainment, big wigs and general public. Once super, you know, Martin Scorsese wants a superhero films to go away, you know They've been a part of our film culture since actively since the 70s. I mean Superman. Yes Yes, that was the big Adam West the that movie has more of a hop for the TV Series.
But you know, it may fade a little, but good. You know, like I said, mystery Men, men in black. Some of y'all don't know. That was a comic book movie. Mm-Hmm. , out there blade. Y'all didn't know you were watching. Y'all thought you ever seen Wesley Snipe stab a bunch of vampires? Thank y'all for getting the Marvel Universe started, right?
They're always gonna be there, but it's just, right now, [00:22:00] it, it just feels. All the special effects didn't, didn't look, didn't look great. Well, I don't know. I don't know how to make a flerken look real. Cause I don't have a flerken running around here on the planet. That whole setup, that whole sequence.
Spoilers. Spoilers. Spoilers. Okay. Well, no, I do. I'm looking forward to seeing it but but you also look like you have some thoughts. So, I've rambled on. No, no, no, not at all. Not at all. I mean, yeah, I do have thoughts for you. I'm not having thoughts but you know. I think it's, I think this was, this was expected.
Certainly since Endgame, when they started to go into their, their next, you know, Oh crap. You know, story or big unifying, you know, thing. The, the detractors were going to come out of the woodwork. And, and I think there's a couple of different elements to that. Number one, Endgame did set the bar.
spectacularly [00:23:00] high. They did a very, very good job with that, but I think a lot of Endgame's success is built on the strong movies that came before it. That story was very strong going from, from 2008, uh, Iron Man through to, what was it? 20, is it 2018? Yeah. You know, they, they did. I think I did an extraordinary job with that.
But the, the reality is, is that, and it's very, very you know, I think it's very omnipresent if that's the right word in today's society is that it's a heck of a lot easier to tear something down than it is to build it up. And I actually think a lot of people struggle. with even allowing themselves to like things.
Like you can't even articulate why you like things anymore because [00:24:00] if you do, there's always some treacherous little seller toad who's going to come out of the woodwork. I like that word though. You're very welcome. And say, oh no, it was, let me tell you why you're wrong. And then they go off and it's like, yeah, but You know, do you like anything or do you just spend your days in this cloud, this, you know, very, you know, I always think of that South Park episode when they go to visit San Francisco and they're all smelling their own, you know, and, and that's it.
It's it's look, try and find the good in it. And if you really hate it that much, why on earth did you go and see it in the first place? It's like you, I, it feels to me and especially when it comes to, to Brie Larson and that first Captain Marvel movie because it felt to me like the people who are going to see it, unfortunately, they were there [00:25:00] probably with a little notepad and a pen light to make notes of all the things they hated so they could sound cool and clever to their other cello toed friends.
When it was all in all over and and done with. Look, Marvel's been pretty spot on when it comes to casting. I thought Brie Larson was a brilliant choice. And she did great. She did great in the movie. And isn't it sad that 46 million dollars on an opening weekend is considered a failure? Oh, I know.
That's ridiculous. I mean, yeah, granted. Well, they didn't make in game money. I don't remember that. I don't remember the last one. It became like the number one It was. I mean, and something else caught it eventually. But it's... You can't use that. And Marvel has its faults, but as an old long in the tooth comic book fan, and also acknowledging that there's a lot of things you can't put on the screen that you can do in a comic book.
Yes. I can definitely [00:26:00] appreciate that I can pick up an Iron Man comic, and Robert Downey embodies 80 percent of what that comic looks like. And granted, as time went on, they adjusted, you know, his comic book personality to Robert Downey. To be Robert Downey. I think the one that really hasn't changed much is Captain America with Chris Evans.
They both... Pretty close Thor or So fluid Yes. That you can get different versions and and you're fine. But that, but Chris Hemsworth, he's so good. He's, he's good at, he's a good Thor. But, you know, Thor's personalities changed with, you know, the Walt Simonson. The Stan Lee. That's right. What la I mean, they're, they weren't the endowing a whole lot.
It's so, and, but he did Marvel's casting. Even the ones that are not my favorite characters, I've still been like, that's you, you went out, you went out and did, sometimes you did too. Good. Yeah, you know, Fox did too good with [00:27:00] once again Hugh Jackman Patrick Stewart. Oh, yeah, he was born to play. Yeah, he was Even nobody can pick that up, you know, Maggie and then the younger ones, you know when they did young Magneto Yeah, I mean those I'm trying to remember the name of the guy who did young Xavier because X He, oh gosh.
James McElroy. James McElroy. He would come to me and Michael and Michael fos Bender. Yeah. No, I thought that'd be great. And he can also, he can play Magneto. He could play Dr. Doom. Yeah. He could play, I, that guy can do just about anything. Yeah. Guy's pretty good. I, I want Mads Mickelson to be Doc Stern. I'm, but I'm just saying, you think Phospho, there's, there's, yeah, there's, there's a couple.
I see that for the, the doom and, and, and you've, and you've gotta get it doomed, right? Because the two attempts. Both times they've made him Dr. Strange Magneto. Now granted, the guy that played him, the actor who played him in the first, you know, from Nip Tuck, that played him in the first two movies, as Victor Von Doom, he did [00:28:00] great.
The arrogant kind of cocky, but the minute you turned him into Magneto Lava Powers that's not, well, I gotta, I gotta tell you, the second Fantastic Four movie, I was trying to think of bad superhero movies. That second Fantastic Four movie might be the worst movie I've ever seen. I don't know. Have you seen Superman 4?
See, I didn't mind Superman 4. I kind of liked it. Nuclear Man. Yeah. With the fingernails? Yeah. Poor old John Cryer. Yeah. But no, I think it's, again, you can't, it's, and also you've got to, look, something else we've all got to take in. And, and this goes back to, you know, sellotodes on the internet. is that you know, there's been so much goodwill and so much positivity thrown towards Marvel movies.
Maybe that's just not, you know, people aren't getting their clicks in. Yeah. So now it's gotta be, well, I'm gonna be the cool kid and I'm gonna start [00:29:00] saying bad things. And, yeah, the Martin Scorsese thing, I mean, I understand where he's coming from, but at the same time, look, it's people... People see what they want to see.
If, if, you know, a hundred million people are going to see end game and two people are going to see killers of the flower moon, then it's not because Marvel is destroying cinema. It's because maybe the, there isn't an audience for. And, and really there isn't, because if you think about, certainly you think about the cinematic experience in the way it's devolved.
And isn't that movie almost four hours long? Yeah. And, you know, it's devolved to the point now where you really have to twist my, I, I'm an absolute cinephile, and have been since I can remember, but you've really got to twist my arm to get me into a movie [00:30:00] theater, and I'll never watch a movie on opening weekend.
I always wait a couple of weeks. Really? Because, yeah, because I cannot. I need to be able to sit in a darkened room, and focus on the screen, and allow myself to get It's Immersed? Kind of. It's a There's a term for it, and I should know this because it came up, it used to come up in my film class when I was younger all the time.
It's about, it's the experience when the rest of the world, goes away and you are, you're in the narrative, not as a character, just as a, as a, as an observer. And that's where, that's where the emotional beats. will have their strongest conduits to affect you. The, the, whether it's a scary movie or a funny movie or a sad film or a funny film or whatever it is, you, you forge this [00:31:00] connection with the screen and You, it, it, it envelopes you.
Stick me in a movie theater with two guys doing their own version of MST3K, or somebody over here with the screaming kid, or somebody who's on the phone, or just the noise and the general rabble, it's like, look, you're not here to watch the movie. You're here to tell people that you went to see that movie, and this is what you thought.
You probably are telling them a bunch of rubbish, because you weren't actually paying attention. And the problem is, I think, is that those sort of great movies, and I know I'm, I know I'm totally getting on a soapbox here, but if you look at the kinds of movies that were made 50 years ago, shit, even 30 years ago, okay, the variety was quite, there was something there for everyone.
But now, people like me, am I gonna sit, am I gonna take the chance to go and sit in a movie theater and [00:32:00] watch some quiet drama? No, probably not, because I'll probably get some bored child who will just wanna chat or talk about how rubbish it's, no, can't do it. And, and if my wife is with him, my wife will go for him.
Like she did to that stupid bugger at the end of Lord of the Rings when she threw a popcorn at him. That was a great moment. But that's what it is. So the spectacle, explosions and fireworks and woo, ah, it's a lot of noise. Well, that can drown a lot of that out. But I still, you know, I, I need to make that, that connection.
It's something that I need so that I can feel the film. And from a filmmaker's perspective, what I know from my studies and my experience and so on and so forth. They're, they're looking to give you that connection. There's a, there's a catharsis to it, you know, that, that, that bond, [00:33:00] and if you're not getting it, then you're missing out.
You're missing out on something. You would have loved my Marvel's experience because nobody's going to see that movie. Yeah. So it was like, it was pretty empty. I had like most of a row to myself and there was somebody way on one side and somebody way on the other side. I'm dead center. It was great and well, hang on.
Don't get me wrong. I, I love a crowd pleaser. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. But you, if you look at movies like, let's take I'll give you two examples, right? So the first example is Raiders of the Lost Ark. There are sequences in Raiders of the, and I remember going to see this with my dad. There are sequences in Raiders of the Lost Ark where there are conversations taking and You want to pay attention and the audience will be quiet and pay attention.
And yet there are those sequences when, you know, [00:34:00] Harrison Ford is running from the boulder or Harrison Ford is trying not to get bitten by a snake or Harrison Ford is, you know, shut your eyes, Marion. Where the crowd can react and they can laugh and they can gasp and all these things, but you're doing it in unison.
Nobody's missing. Anything. And I still think that in, in all the cinematic, in all the films that I've ever gone to see, one of my favorite experiences seeing a movie in a group, uh, was the UK comic convention in 1987 when the staff from, I think it was forbidden planet Belfast were over and there's a bunch of drunk Irish guys.
who had never seen aliens before and my god, when Sigourney Weaver comes out in the power suit and does the famous line, they freaking lost it. Bottles of Guinness in the air. And that was brilliant because that's what you [00:35:00] want as a You want the crowd to be like, yes, this is amazing. Now shut up and let's watch the rest of the movie.
And there you go. That's why, that's why sometimes my favorite time to go see a movie is 10 o'clock on Sunday morning. Yeah. You know. Oh yeah, absolutely. Get the old, the old fart discount and you get in there. But I do, I I enjoy, you know, every talking about, I enjoy the craft experience. 'cause you know, you go watch an independence day.
Yeah, absolutely. You sit there and watch that by yourself at home, you kind of feel dumb. Mm-Hmm. . But, you know, you, you kind, it doesn't hold up. Yeah. You kind of loosen my cue points. But, you know, you're, you're, you're there with. A group of, you know, a crowd in the theater and Randy Quas flying his plane, you know?
Yeah. You know, that, that, that's a No, it's, but I, I understand what you're saying because sometimes with some of the more emotionally focused films Yeah. You know, something that, you know, you [00:36:00] wanna lose yourself. Like, you're almost an, an observer, like on the holodeck. Yeah. That's it. Exactly. Yes. And, and you can't.
Experience that if you got someone chirping right off to the side and yes, I can see the appeal Yeah I to that no, that's it I'm also gonna say, you know on the other hand, you know taking the whole family theater now It's easier to make a car payment than to take them to the theater And it's a shame because I there are movies that that come to the theater and I want to support those films because I I would like there to be more of a, you know, more of a diversity and variety of films, but yeah, I mean, you can support, you can just buy a ticket and not go.
That's true. You know, you phone, you can just do that. I mean, you know. I could do that. Now you're a patron of the arts. Ah, well, yeah. Because those patrons of the arts, they don't paint [00:37:00] those paintings either. They just show up and buy the expensive drinks. That's very true. That's very true. But if you listen to someone like...
One of the great American modern filmmakers, David Lynch, you don't want to watch movies on your phone. That's like the worst way of watching movies. the ticket on the phone. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I, I, I, the only time I watch movies on the phone is when I'm, you know, at the dentist's office or something.
Right. You know, that's, that's... On a plane. On a plane, yeah. You know, it, you know, young, young master Lynch who hopefully still has some more movies left in him. Is very, very much on the, the, the cinematic experience, you know, sitting in a darkened room and sharing something. David Lynch. Oh, okay. Razorhead.
The Elephant Man, Dune, the original Dune, Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart, Twin Peaks. Mulholland Drive. Straight story. Well, also I could go on talk about the cinematic experience and this, once again long, the tooth old man here [00:38:00] talking for us. Even Jason, Jason's the young pup in the room. Yes. If we weren't going to the theaters.
We weren't seeing movies. Yes. It's true. Because cable TV was very new to us. You know, the fact I remember our first VCR. And kids, and it's the same complaint that my great grandparents had, my grandparents grandparents had about my parents. As technology evolves, I've got two little granddaughters, about 13 or 14, that are just content.
To sit and watch everything on their phone with their ear pods because they can do it in their room with their stuff, right? They don't even want you know, I got an 80 inch tv sitting in the den. Hey, sweetie, you can watch it No, i'm fine. Got my phone right here guys And and so, you know lynch and some of these others and when you go to movie theater It's you see the ads if you're watching this on a small screen you're doing it wrong I'm, also i'm i'm almost [00:39:00] going to tell you to stop saying that Because the people you want to try to get it, you've just called those people who might be watching on the small, you just called them dumb.
Right. Yes, it is better to see, I would like to have that big movie screen in my backyard. Yes. City ordinance won't let me do that, and I'll tell you freaking governments, but. I know, right? But. Commies. Fine, yeah. I'm gonna, yeah. Here we go. There we go, down there. Yeah, there we go. If I'm gonna, if I'm gonna market, you know, Marvel movies, films, or if I'm gonna market to the youngsters, I've got to come, I need them in the theater.
Yes. Because I need them to spend the money. That's right. But I've got to come up with some other reason going, wouldn't you rather watch it on the big screen? No, they'd rather sit in the tub watching and, and in their mind, they're not missing anything. Allie, my granddaughter, just recently discovered Game of Thrones.
Okay. And that is a larger screen event. It is. [00:40:00] But when she watched on her phone or tablet and here, The only time she had a complaint was in the last season with the Battle of Midnight. Right. It's so dark, you can't see a damn thing. You know, and granted, that's probably very realistic if it was, but Absolutely.
She, she didn't feel compelled. Like, I will watch, you know, I might piddle with something here and go, I need to, the new Marvel trailer, DC trailer comes out, I might watch it on my phone, but when I get home, I want to watch it on the big, Right. the big screen so I can see everything. These, these younger kids.
That, that, their experience, those whippersnappers, their experience stops right there. You can't see us people, but we're all shaking our canes. Yeah, yeah, we're all, yeah. Waiting for the nurse to come change me. Exactly. But that's... We're having jello today. Yeah. I remember when my, when my oldest, who's 26 now, um, is she 26?
No, she's 24. She's 24 now. So, she, It dawned on us because we had, remember Tevo and Tevo came up. There's a way that you could [00:41:00] record that, record stuff. We had one pretty early and she had never experienced a point where she couldn't watch whatever she wants whenever she wants. Right, sure. So we go to a hotel and she's like, turn on my show.
And we're like, it's not on right now. And it just didn't register with her. Right. Like she's a little bitty kid. It just did not register that my show can't be on all the time. Yeah, that's it. The demand. No, that's, that's it. But I, again, I, I kind of want in my, in my dark little heart. Don't tell anyone this because I know it makes me look bad.
I Kind of want cinema to completely fail and destroy itself and then we'll give it a few years and then they'll bring it back as a niche thing and maybe we can start all over again because and, and, and yeah. Invest more time in bringing older films [00:42:00] to the big screen. You don't need to do all that.
You wanna know how to save cinema? Go on. It's one simple thing. What's that? Internet needs to go away. Well, I'd really like that to happen. But I, and, and, that, that, that's... And that's how I know I'm old. Yeah. But I really, I mean, I love the internet. I used, I so much happier before the internet. I mean, you know, our comic book store, you wanna know what's gonna, they talk about everything needs to save print publishing and all that.
The internet just needs to go away. It so I think cinema was in a real, really difficult, or actually, movie theaters a tough spot. Yeah. Sail because. Every entertainment media is in a tough spot too. Well, not live events. Live events are booming. Live events are going nuts. Comedy shows, concerts. I enjoyed the last Michael Jackson concert.
Oh, it has nothing to do with the internet, does it? That's just a hologram. Well, so those things, live events are booming, but theaters. Have not come back and I [00:43:00] think the reason that theaters haven't come back is that the The streaming platforms get the movies so soon afterwards. You don't have that You don't have that sense of urgency.
Like I gotta go see this movie or I'm not gonna see it forever Like if I don't see Marvel's I know that like four weeks from now. It's gonna be on Disney. It'll be on Disney But that's why There's that it became kind of a famous little snippet of Spielberg bumping into Tom Cruise at some event.
The Oscars. And, and saying, you, you saved distribution. because Top Gun Maverick. Oh yeah. Cruise was like a year adamant. You will. Yeah. It was supposed to come out way earlier than it did and he's like, no, we're, we're going to put this on in the theaters. Theaters only when people can go and see it. Yeah.
We'll wait out the pandemic and there will be, I think he insisted on at least like a [00:44:00] year or something before it would go on. Do you see his other trick? His other trick was He had creative control over the thing. And they finished it, but it was like, like they hadn't opened all the theaters yet. And he was like, yeah, it's not done.
And he just wouldn't, he wouldn't release it. He wouldn't say it's done. And he held it until he thought that an audience could see it. That's right. And he just sat on that thing and said, no. And then finally. It gets released and it was a, it was a super fun movie. Now was it Scorsese cinema? No. Was it awesome?
Yes. I mean, and it was great because it was a modern day Star Wars. I still haven't seen it. Okay. Because it's not, it's not necessarily my thing, but I have all the respect and love in the world for Tom Cruise for, for Holding that line. Yeah. Hell, he knew and that's absolutely, and he just couldn't help yourself because he just, well,
No, I just couldn't, I couldn't Did that get him, [00:45:00] did. Was that enough to, to make everyone forget about the couch, jumping on the couch. I mean, once again, I, for, for, for me personally, I, I, once again, if I judge Cruz on that, I've never seen any of his movies. I've seen lot, but I, I, I like his movies. Oh, I like his movies too.
Yeah. But, but this Top Gun movie. is Star Wars. Okay. You have a... Okay, so you got Goose's son. Right. Orphan. Right. Tom Cruise, Aldo Mender. Mender shows up. Right. Teach him how to be a warrior. You've got some cocky guy that's competing with him over, over stuff. Okay. So he's a pilot. And then your mission is that you have to go blow up a three meter wide hole.
That's true. And you have to fly through mountains. And the first pilot misses. So then you're going down there, right? So Luz's son is going down there, your computer's busted. Luke turned his alarm off, [00:46:00] drops it in there. And just as he's doing another enemy fire comes in. So the cocky guy comes in and takes care of him.
Oh, love it. And, and you know, it's, it, this is statistically impossible. You have to make this, you know, come out instead of a trench, you're coming out of a volcano or something. It's Star Wars, it's you, it's. Blow for blow it and it's beginning Tom Cruise is in a warp 10 jet suborbit Like going mock whatever that would turn your body to jello.
Nice. And so it but it is It's Tom Cruise. It's Tom Cruise. Yeah, once again, just don't put him in a mummy movie and you're fine He's the reason it went down the shitter because of his creative control because because Alex Kirkman the director Yeah Is the one running the Lower Decks universe in the new Star and then Strange New World.
So, you had to get out of that to go over there, but yes, Tom, I can't, I don't hold, I don't hold any actor's politics against them because I never have said that. There's a few areas if they're like [00:47:00] You know, every time before I make a film, I take two babies and run them through a leaf you know, a tree, wood chipper, probably wouldn't be going to see that movie.
In fact, somebody thinks that Xenu's coming back in some DC 7s and gonna save all the Thetans out of volcanoes. That's fine. I, I still want to watch Mission Impossible. It's good. Be careful. We don't want to get sued. I, I never said they were wrong. I'm just stating their beliefs. Well, see, I don't, I like the Mission Impossible movies.
I love the Mission Impossible movies. I hated the first one. I don't cancel people with that. Well, that, that, that's, that was a whole different, that was them trying to make the TV show, the first one. That's really what it was. And then, they're like, I'll just let Tom grow his hair out and he'll be hanging off a mountain and get Anthony Hopkins to show up, but then he got, yeah, but you see, it's interesting though, because Dead Reckoning Part One has come out and that didn't do very well.
It kind of got eclipsed by Barbie Heimer. And I wonder if how much of that is again exactly going back to, we're coming full circle to what I was saying at the start [00:48:00] about, about cellotodes. Is that Cruise has been on a bit of a roll lately. So now this comes out, and again, we've been waiting for it for a while.
I don't know, I just think it's... There wasn't a lot of hate for that movie. Like they... Like it wasn't, um, it wasn't lauded, but there wasn't a lot of... They do talk about how it made less money than it should have. Yeah. And some of the people pan it a little, but I think what really upsetting was, is it was kind of a downer.
It's a two part movie, but to me, this was the Empire Strikes Back of this story. I don't know if you could tell Empire Strikes Back now. Because, I mean, when that, that came out, Oh my God, this is, I don't think you could get away with doing Empire Strikes Back. Unless you knew a year from now you were getting Return of the Jedi.
And they had to soothe everyone's nerves. Oh, it's going to be okay. Yeah. It's going to be okay. That's right. Some of these viewers coming up, kind of [00:49:00] fragile, kind of, kind of, kind of, well, yeah. And, and it's, and again, I know we're, we're shaking our canes again, but it does seem to be the teeth out of this glass and let's throw it back in.
Don't, don't put my teeth in. Don't do that again. That was, that was, that was hard. That was just, well, it's kind of funny, but it's really painful. AnD but no, it's, I completely lost my train of thought. That's what happens when you get old, that thing happens when you don't. Do the thing. Don't do the thinking stuff.
The stuff. Are we, are we Sina? Remembering? I didn't know. Are we Sina or are we doing Peter Griffin? Which one? Country Time Lemonade. Wilford Brimley. Who the hell did I hit? Is it Joe Biden? No, that's just, this is just. Old fart boys. Remember back in the old days we had jello in colors of the rainbow. Yeah, that's, that's how Joe Biden sounds on [00:50:00] SNL
Oh geez. Well, yeah. So no, I, I definitely wanna see oh, you're talking about how it's all coming back around? Yeah. Yeah. Just again, it's, you know, audience expectations. Forgive me. To hell, I would say something strong, but this is a family show. To hell with... You dropped an f bomb earlier. Did I? And I said douchebag.
Oh, okay. Fuck audiences. Yeah. I think people should be making films for... It's the filmmaker's view. And if you like it, great. And if you don't, that's fine too. But this entitlement has got to go. So I'll tell you when I stopped watching, like, the award nominated movies. I was on, on a flight and they had it was a super long, like Europe somewhere.
Yeah. And they had the they had all the Oscar nominated movies on like a playlist or something. And I just sat there and [00:51:00] just watched them. I finally just quit. It was so depressing. I was so beat down. Like I could feel myself being depressed. Yes. Watching these movies. And I just don't need that in my life.
And when I, when I did it in succession, I was like, this is what it's doing to me. I just haven't noticed because I've been done it a bunch. But when I overdosed on sad, depressing movies, I was like, I just hate the way I feel right now. That's what awe is Jason. Yeah. I had a good time last night. I had fun watching the marvels.
It was fun. That's it. Oh, once again. Back to the core statement on all that. The internet just has to go away. Well, say goodbye to your Amazon. Say goodbye to your online banking, but say, say, say goodbye to online bill. Pay direct deposit has to go away. You have to take, you have to get your check, you have to have the checks.
Courier to you and but the nice thing about that is remember back in the days We could write a check and float it for to load it. Yeah, it's like, okay, [00:52:00] so yeah So yeah, these bills are here But it's gonna take nine days for them to process it to get to the bank because that's to put it in an envelope and Send it to the bank.
Oh a great time. My favorite was that's why the middle class is failing exactly is because of the Instant removal. Yeah, you don't have that. That's why I'm not driving I did put it in the post yet. I sent it second class post. It's going to take ages to get there. We are shaking our canes. Look at this.
This is, yeah, this is what's happening to middle class kids is you couldn't float your car paying for two weeks. Get that second check in there. Yeah, no, that's... Well, we're educated. So are you, are you guys going to see Aquaman? Yes. I don't know. Might as well finish out the Snyderverse. Yeah, I probably will see it because I like the underwater stuff.
I thought that was really cool. Well, your wife's gonna like it because they're running around in Warlord's backyard again. There's a whole, there's a whole section. Okay. Of [00:53:00] that, that, well, she wants, she'll want to see it because it's Jason Momoa. But, but, well, just, you know, your wife, your wife, the three of us here are the only ones that really know.
And my buddy Jeff that listens to the show, we're the only ones that know Warlord Mythos. So, and I can't say this, Scart, what's the name? Scartaris. Yeah, thank you. DC animated movie that's just. I saw the trailer for that and I saw that was like, hang on. And what these sneaky, you know what these sneaky guys are doing?
I don't know. James Gunn's a part of it. So they've got the Jason Eccles, Batman. That's it. And I don't know who's doing one on one, but she did a great job at the end of it. It's leading into crisis on infinite earth because Harbinger shows up and grabs these three to go meet the other ones. And I really hope we get some Bruce, Tim.
I mean, you can't. Kevin's gone. So you can't do Batman. Right. But you know, you got Tim Daly and the other guy, Superman, but it's true. Yes. I want to see Aquaman may not [00:54:00] go opening night, but, um, see, I'm going to go. And I know for sure, people are just gonna bag on this movie like crazy. Like I can tell already.
People are going to bag on it. Of course. I don't care at all. I'm, that looks like a great movie. And, I got to say, I kind of like Momoa as Aquaman. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. And I'm sad that like, I think the casting that they had for the Snyderverse was so good. The scripts were all, well, not all the scripts were bad, most of the scripts were bad.
So if they had good scripts with that cast, it would have been amazing.
That's a show all on its own. It is, because it talks about An ongoing problem with competitiveness between studios because I want to know the star wars who else is going to would we have this property? And and they were trying to race disney and they tried to turn their universe into now nothing wrong with tent [00:55:00] poles I don't know anyone on the planet who doesn't know who superman is and I don't really know anyone over the age of five That could tell me couldn't tell me his origin, right?
So I don't need don't need to see his origin again yeah, if I see if I see If I see another radioactive spider If I see another Krypton blow up and a rocket ship flying away, I'm done. Now if you want to do kind of a recap at the beginning, just to, or you've got some really incredible Kryptonian backstory on why the planet blows up, fine.
But if you're trying to compete, yeah, you're right, they did a hell of a job, they're going to have a Gal Gadot problem. They're going to really have a Gal Gadot problem. They're not going to have a Ben Affleck problem. And the nice thing about it is when I still enjoy his version of it, but he nice thing about the superhero universe is a very forgiving.
So, at age 70, Affleck's gonna get to play Batman again. So is Henry. Henry's [00:56:00] gonna get to play Superman again, because when Gunn gets it, when Gunn gets through his five or ten years, and it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, because everyone's bagging on comic book movies now, not because of the talent of the creator.
You know the guy, they just announced the guy who's playing Lex Luthor. Nicholas Holt. Nicholas Holt played the Beast. I'm sure he'll do a great job. Fine actor. He is. He can play anger and intelligent and seething all very well. Yeah. But I, these critics out here are just going to destroy. You know, there's a, in the last podcast that we did, we had a little conversation.
I know it seems like an eternity ago. We had a little conversation about how, I think Jason, I think you were the one who pointed out that the, what's been the standard for quite a while now of the six issue story arc is going to go down to four. And I made a comment, as [00:57:00] long as the story's good, it doesn't matter whether it's a single issue or a multi arc or whatever, the story's got to be good, the writer has to be competent.
To be able to convey the story in the best way possible and the illustrator much the same. And the same thing applies to movies. So there was a, quite a few months ago, there was a guy in the shop and the subject of superhero movies came up. And I forget he was going off about Avengers Endgame, I think.
Well, I was, I mean, come on, let's all agree. That's the greatest superhero movie that we've ever seen. I was like, no, it wasn't actually. And he's like, oh, well, what opinion have you got? Getting ready to stomp all over it. And I said, I, I, I maintain that the greatest superhero movie that I've ever seen is Superman, the movie Richard Donner's film.
And he made a comment, which was clever and [00:58:00] that's but you saw that when you were a kid, right? I said, yes. And he said, so you, you're, you're remembering the, that kind of childhood joy. And I said, Oh, absolutely. But they re released it in the theaters not too long ago for its 40th anniversary, I think.
And I wouldn't see it again. I've seen this movie many, many times on the small screen. I know it very, very well. But watching it on the big screen, thankfully the audience was, was in on it. We were all able to just focus and lose ourselves and the craftsmanship in the storytelling. It's not just the visuals, it's the performances, that script.
You know, you, they got the guy who wrote The Godfather to write the script. It was pretty damn good. The guy that played the Godfather. And the guy who played the Godfather is in it as well. That's true. Absolutely. Reading his lines off of Baby Colel's diaper. trUe story. But it works and you get to the end and it's like, [00:59:00] I'm glad I sat in that theater for two hours or whatever.
I enjoyed it. It's, it's a thrilling, moving experience. I too have seen it like five times in the theater. And I, I, I buy it in every format. And while I will agree that child Scott just love that for getting to see something that he only thought he was the only one that loved, but you will believe a man can fly, but for that era, super ran and for what you want.
Super Ram stand for Christopher Reeve capture that there. And once again, I like, I like Henry. He did a good job for what they gave him. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I could go on and on about the neck breaking thing, but let me know when I, when I looked at him, I didn't go, that's not Superman. But you've got, and they all acknowledge Crystal Reeve is their gold standard and [01:00:00] a lot of them, you know, in the same, a lot of them will try to acknowledge that Adam West is their gold standard, but they all strive to be.
Yeah. You know, everybody wants to be keyed and actually that's my great disappointment is that. We're not going to get the Batman Beyond with Michael Keaton. Oh, well, he's still got some time left on him, you know, maybe in five years. I mean, they paid him a million dollars to show up in Batgirl and it all get cut.
But yes, he is the perfect old man, Bruce. He's at the perfect age. And I think the universe is a perfect time to, and if you didn't like blue beetle, take that kid and make him Terry McGillis. Be the same age work, but yes, you're, I agree with you, Jason. We're not for whatever political, it's just we're in a, now that studios have seem to have, well, they panic well, they've got the confidence now to say, you know what, we'll dump a movie and we'll take the tax.
You know, it's like, hold, we'll, we'll file the insurance claim and make money. I mean, well, that's how bad was bad girl for that to happen. Probably not as [01:01:00] bad as you think. Yeah, because here's what I mean. We'll see it eventually that's gonna leak. So well now here, here, here's what this really was. They knee jerk.
Warner Brothers has been knee jerking for a decade. We don't want Zack Snyder. We want Josh Whedon because he created the Avengers and that made us money. Oh shit. Yeah. Oh well, we'll throw 30 million dollars at Zack and let him finish and put it on Netflix. Who does that? There, how many times has Warner Brothers, I mean the one thing I'll say about Marvel and Warner Brothers, The Joss Whedon thing, that was, that wasn't like like there was a death in the family.
There was a death in the family, but they could have gotten Steve St. James to finish it out. But they went to the guy who did the Avengers. I mean, they could have picked other people. Their thought was if he could do it, this is how they don't understand the properties, he could do it over there. I mean, that's.
Why do you trade baseball players? Why do you trade quarterbacks? If he's winning over there, he'll come over here. But they get panicky, knee jerk, so fast, because how, you know, You know what's interesting [01:02:00] about it? There weren't complaints about Chaucer's behavior on Marvel sets. There were. There were?
Scarlet has some things that she keeps quiet, and she's even said Scarlet Witch has? No, Scarlet Johansson. Scar Scar Scarjo actually said there were some times that we had to have an understanding. There's been an I'm not getting into whether Josh Whedon was a creep or not. I've heard enough that he might have been, but what I was trying to go to with the movies is, after Iron Man, I don't know where Kevin Feige was.
I know there's a couple leadership, but Marvel Studios wasn't there, but Marvel's had one vision. Warner Brothers has fired like four creative heads. I mean, you have the three of the three of us here as smart as we are. If you gave me, if I gave Jason the Warner Brothers universe, he'd have one idea. We can't him.
Then you, I mean, all three of us are going to have drastically different, you know, who, what can we think about? What character right now do you use to launch? [01:03:00] The DC Universe movie. Who, Jason, who would you? Superman. Plastic Man. No, I mean, Superman, of course. Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman? She was, from a business standpoint, she was the most marketable, successful one out of their tentpole movies.
People still flock to meet her, if I can get Gal to come back. Because, because one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, Let's, let's, Screw the second one. They, they didn't have, but I thought Sally was going to pull it off. Well, if you take Man of Steel, Flash, and Wonder Woman, because we didn't get a Batman movie.
We didn't get a cyborg. So if I got those three, who do, if I walk down this, out there and said, who do you want? Everyone wants Gal. No, that's true. I, I, I, but just different businesses. Yeah. So, and that's what the problem is with Warner Brother movies. Is that anyone that made a film, You resurrect Leslie [01:04:00] Nielsen, put him in charge.
It would be Plastic Man. That'd be fun. That would be fun. Marvel is always at least for good or bad fight. He's always been, don't know whether he's really cracking the whip or not. I mean, for however crazy Josh Whedon is, he kept it under control. Yes. It didn't get out. But you can talk to Sarah when you get Sarah Michelle Gellar.
And all the other women, all the other women over here have complaints that worked with him and you watch Sarah when she's very political, you know, it was a problem because she was a star. She's just being, I'm sure he was a creep. I mean, fine. I mean, I say fine from the standpoint that. I'm not going to hire him.
It, he named, named five in Hollywood that aren't creeps sometimes that they, he grew up in that, you know, I just don't know. I, I don't want to work with him. I wouldn't [01:05:00] hire him for the show. I thought they were, I thought the complaint was that he was just, he was just a. A bit of a tyrant on set. He, he's sexist.
He's very, there's, there's, there's a multitude of things, not, I mean, I don't think he committed sexual assault or anything, but he, yeah, well, they wouldn't let him stay in a room with Michelle Trachtenberg, according to some of the Buffy cast, but no, the thing is, is, no, that, that's it. And we don't want to get down that rabbit hole, but I mean, that's, that's about Josh.
It's, it's, but you have one vision. He did Avengers and he was The guy gun for yeah, but he was gun for hire. Yeah, they brought him in comic book nerd He knows how to he did. What's that firefly movie serenity serenity? Yeah, he did one of the whole firefly universe. Yeah, so he he can do he can do the setup.
Are we getting close or Okay. Yeah, well i'll be quick. So he was gun for hire[01:06:00] his frustration on Age of Ultron was that at that point, he thought he could have more control. And Marvel, the Marvel machine, was like, No, we still want you to do this. We still want Thor in the rock pool. And we want this and we want that.
Which he didn't like, but tough. DC asks him to help out with Justice League. And I think they just let him go on. He needed a Feige or a, you know, a Galen Hood or somebody. To be like, nope, you're still gun for hire. It's not your thing to play with. And there you go. Damn. Too bad we had to cut that part out too, because I didn't want it to sound like I was bagging on like.
Did we cut it out? Or did we hit stop? Oh, is it still going? It's still going. Oh, I thought. No, no, no. I thought the hour just dropped off like that last time where we stopped in the middle of a sentence. No. No. Okay. Yeah, for the record, I'm not trying to say Josh Whedon's a creep or anything, but. No. We don't want to get [01:07:00] sued.
Well, nah. Sue nothing, get nothing. That's just my go to thing. Yeah. Unless, of course, we're talking about Hole and Ellison. Yeah. Well, he'll come back from the grave, he will come back and he come back to that. That's that, that what is that? That Elliot Goldline from Oceans 11. He'll kill you and then he'll go to work on you.
Yeah. Then he'll go to work on you. I think that's, with any of these universes, the problems with some of the Star Wars stuff need one voice. Yeah. That neighbor, I mean, now the Dave Filone, who's. Clone Wars and Ahsoka and all of this, they've now given him control over the creative part of that universe.
And now it's going to be one, once again, one voice, one vision. Now the story can still suck, but there'll be a consistency. I wonder why they didn't do that with Favreau. Favreau kind of got this weird partnership with Fionni. Well, I think they're business partners. Okay. Because Favreau also showed up in the Clone Wars, did voices, had some scripts, had some directs, but I think, [01:08:00] yeah, Feoni was George Lucas's heir apparent when they started the Clone Wars TV series.
Okay. Which, going back to, I can't remember that this stuck with me about how, you know, the Force Awakens isn't your Star Wars. Clone Wars is not as silly as Lower Decks, but Clone Wars, the whole, eight, nine season thing. Series run is our Star Wars. If you ever get a chance to go down that road, that's that's a lot of fun./ Thank you for listening to the multi-verse. If you'd like to join us in person, you can do that at the multi-verse in Hurst, Texas. Our brick and mortar store. If you'd like to shop with us online, you can do it at www dot multi-verse dot shop. If you don't mind too, as a big favor. Give us a review like us and make sure you subscribe so he can see all the episodes as they come out .
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